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    [quote author=JC link=topic=14158.msg186982#msg186982 date=1356365886]
    When I mentioned "you" I was referring to the gun control guys/anti gun owner guys, I should have been more clear.
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    Okay, I thought you were specifically addressing me, and I am not even anti-gun. I OWN three. I do, however, believe in some level of gun control. I think most people do believe in some level of gun control, we just disagree about what that level should be. Not everyone that disagrees with your position on the level of gun control is automatically "anti gun." My point in asking you about your beliefs on automatic weapons was to show that many people who do not consider themselves to be for gun control actually believe that automatic weapons should be illegal, which is a type of gun control. Likewise, at what age should an individual be allowed to have a concealed carry license, 18, 21, 6? If you do not think six year old children should be able to conceal carry, then you are for some level of gun control. Again, most people are for some level of gun control, we just disagree on what that level should be.

    [quote author=JC link=topic=14158.msg186974#msg186974 date=1356311583]
    troll is the wrong word, I was trying to get you (anti gun people) to show that they really want to ban all guns, not just the assault type weapons [/quote]

    You are operating under the assumption that anyone who believes in gun control really wants all guns banned. This goes back to your nearly consistent flaw in logic, that anyone who disagrees with part of what you believe must be completely on the other side of the fence and must have some secret motive. Your posts always sound as though you believe anyone who disagrees with you on any topic is a socialist who hates America. You also believe that you are always right about everything, and I cannot think of one time where you have shown that you have learned anything from anyone, other than those who already shared your belief. FYI, you will always learn more from those who disagree with you than from only surrounding yourself with those who agree with you.

    [quote author=JC link=topic=14158.msg186974#msg186974 date=1356311583]
    What is your definition of "assault weapon"?
    [/b] These things only change the way a gun looks, not the function. Grenades are not available to the public so the launchers should not be an issue. This shows you are scared of the way a gun looks [/quote]

    No, you asked me the definition. I gave you the definition, and I disagree with your assertion that assault weapons only look different. They are specifically designed to have a wide range of attachments that go beyond the scope of a hunting rifle. Again, I am not saying that I hate them or think they are "evil" and need banned. These are your words, not mine.

    [quote author=JC link=topic=14158.msg186974#msg186974 date=1356311583]
    As to you asking if I believe fully automatic weapons should remain illegal, as they currently are, LOL... They are not illegal according to federal law, check your facts. Any US citizen can apply for a permit, pay a hefty fee and legally own a fully automatic weapon.[/quote]

    Partially true. It is illegal to manufacture and sell new automatic weapons in the United States, regardless of permits and fees. The only way that I am aware of to legally own an automatic weapon in the U.S. is by transfer from an existing automatic weapon owner, and as you said there is an application process, a permit fee, and the outrageous purchase price associated with a scarce product. So, you are right that they are not completely illegal, but the production and sell of automatic weapons produced after (some time in the mid 80s) is illegal.

    [quote author=JC link=topic=14158.msg186974#msg186974 date=1356311583]
    As far a gun regulations go, here are some of my thoughts. I would like to see NRA classes in every school teaching proper handling of firearms and they should have shooting part of gym class.[/quote]

    I really disagree with you on this one, and I think the vast majority of the public would see the associated problems with having guns intentionally handled and fired on school campuses. There are friendly fire accidents frequently on military bases with adults in smaller numbers than students. If you start gun training at schools, more children will die.

    [quote author=JC link=topic=14158.msg186974#msg186974 date=1356311583]
    Like I said in an earlier post, there is NOT one law you can pass to stop the crazies, this is why a gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
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    I agree with you that there is not way to stop crazies, I just disagree with you about how schools should prepare themselves to respond.

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    There are many devastated families this Christmas Eve. I and my children are praying for some kind of peace in their minds and hearts. It just tears at my heart and soul. God Bless those little angels and the other victims. I hope they are having a wonderful true Christmas up in Heaven.

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    There are many devastated families this Christmas Eve. I and my children are praying for some kind of peace in their minds and hearts. It just tears at my heart and soul. God Bless those little angels and the other victims. I hope they are having a wonderful true Christmas up in Heaven.
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    Couldn't agree more Jeff!!
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    God Bless the NY firemen who were killed. Man this is insane. Seems like the Bushmaster is the weapon of choice again in a mass killing. Sick bastard this guy was. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ng-people.html

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    Wow truly sad indeed. Prayers to the Families of the firemen.

    No disrespect here but can't blame the gun. He murdered his Grandmother with a hammer 17 years ago. Instead of putting this nut down they plea bargained him to manslaughter. He was a felon and shouldn't have even had a gun in his possession.

    Again mental illness and the inability to enforce the law is why this happened, not the gun.
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    [quote author=Guy B link=topic=14158.msg187036#msg187036 date=1356580644]
    Wow truly sad indeed. Prayers to the Families of the firemen.

    No disrespect here but can't blame the gun. He murdered his Grandmother with a hammer 17 years ago. Instead of putting this nut down they plea bargained him to manslaughter. He was a felon and shouldn't have even had a gun in his possession.

    Again mental illness and the inability to enforce the law is why this happened, not the gun.
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    Yep. We had one here in Wooster a few years ago that got out of prison after seventeen years on an attempted rape of a minor charge where he was stopped in his truck while trying to rape a teenage girl. He had everything in the truck needed to kill her as well. A couple weeks after getting out, he kidnapped, raped, murdered, and dismembered his 13 year old neighbor and hid her body in the swamp. Some crimes deserve one strike and you are out. Violent rapes, murders, etc. I also think attempted murder should carry the same penalty as murder. Just because someone was incapable of finishing the act they get a lighter sentence. Makes no sense.

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    You know, i just hate that I now have to explain to my 6 & 9 year old that if they hear gun shots in their school or on a field trip, in the mall at church that they run away from the sound of the gun. That they do what they have to, to get away. That they jump out a window, hide in a closet, play dead. Its so disgusting. So now along with telling them about child molesters that they have to scream for help, punch, kick, gouge eyes or if they are being bullied or someone starts a fight that they fight back as hard as they can and if they are losing they do whatever they have to and that includes kicking, biting and then running. All that young kids go through just growing up, now i have to discuss mass shootings.

    I have good kids, very smart, loving kids. I sure wish all I had to do is tell them about fire safety.

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    Jeff, while I understand your frustration, I do not even talk to my children about that scenario. The schools already have the kids practice a drill once or twice a year. There are 133,000 schools in the U.S., and the odds of any individual school experiencing this type of tragedy is extremely small. Your odds of winning the lottery are significantly higher than being shot in a school. Kids have enough to worry about. I don't concern my kids with this topic because it would only scare and stress them out, and the odds of my conversation helping them in that situation are really slim. In fact, telling your kids to run away from the sound and trying to get out a window may actually be counter-productive. The best thing to do in that situation is to follow the instructions of the teacher.

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    [quote author=moody1 link=topic=14158.msg187040#msg187040 date=1356620129]
    Jeff, while I understand your frustration, I do not even talk to my children about that scenario. The schools already have the kids practice a drill once or twice a year. There are 133,000 schools in the U.S., and the odds of any individual school experiencing this type of tragedy is extremely small. Your odds of winning the lottery are significantly higher than being shot in a school. Kids have enough to worry about. I don't concern my kids with this topic because it would only scare and stress them out, and the odds of my conversation helping them in that situation are really slim. In fact, telling your kids to run away from the sound and trying to get out a window may actually be counter-productive. The best thing to do in that situation is to follow the instructions of the teacher.
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    Completely agree. While it may seem practical following this tragedy, your child is more likely to be struck by lightning and would be better served being taught how to minimize that risk. (or how to handle winning the lottery as it is also more likely, statistically speaking.) Security needs to be tightened in schools. Its a shitty thing to have kids imprisoned in a school with armed guards at the doors and complete lockdown. Maybe explaining why there would be a guard and/or teaching your children how to follow an adult's instructions would serve your children way better than what you mentioned in your post, Jeff. Parenting is never easy, is it?

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    [quote author=moody1 link=topic=14158.msg187040#msg187040 date=1356620129]
    Jeff, while I understand your frustration, I do not even talk to my children about that scenario. The schools already have the kids practice a drill once or twice a year. There are 133,000 schools in the U.S., and the odds of any individual school experiencing this type of tragedy is extremely small. Your odds of winning the lottery are significantly higher than being shot in a school. Kids have enough to worry about. I don't concern my kids with this topic because it would only scare and stress them out, and the odds of my conversation helping them in that situation are really slim. In fact, telling your kids to run away from the sound and trying to get out a window may actually be counter-productive. The best thing to do in that situation is to follow the instructions of the teacher.
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    I actually didn't mention that I did stress you listen to the teachers first but other options too if the teacher isnt with them that second. Like the boy in Newtown that actually he and a couple other kids ran out behind the killer after he already shot several victims in front of them and he either stopped to reload or the gun jammed. That boy was thinking on his feet and it did save his and others lives.

    I agree I would rather not talk about these things but I explain everything to my kids, I tell them the likelihood is almost zero on many things. I am an "explainer" with my children. I protect their childhood but i also feel the more they know the better. I do it with my business, my son and recently started with my 6 year old daughter telling them about business, money, employees. If they ask questions we usually answer them with an age appropriate answer.

    Funny story... our new puppy is humping our kids legs and i told them don't let him do that. got away without explaining much more the next dozen times or so. Well the dog starts humping away again on my daughters leg. I say stop, my daughter says " she doesnt mind, the dog is just hugging her. Ohhhhhhh K. I tell her dont let him do it. My 9 year old asks me "dad why not, whats wrong with the dog doing that, its funny looking". So how do i handle it, i'm thinking real quick. I just said "son it has to do with sex, do you really want to know much more?" He looked and said no thanks and walked away. He now will stop the dog every time LOL. If i had to explain more i would of, but i know certain things to say to them, that usually can stop the questions

    I limit what we talk about and keep it to a minimum amount of times on all kinds of things. I see so many dumbass kids, teenagers, adults I refuse to let me kids grow up dumbasses, I know they will do what they are going to do as they get older, but I feel while they are young is when they are going to learn the most, whether its education in a school, morality, just the difference of right & wrong.

    I see many parents that don't discuss anything and I have seen they outcome in just people I have grown up with or ran with throughout my life.

    Not talking about a subject like the school shooting I think is wrong. If something happens, maybe in the back of their mind they will some day have to use what we talked about.

    I hear you guys about letting kids be kids and believe me I do, but again many things I tlk about is a kids life these days, sad but true. we had a school shooter 3 miles from my house a 14 year old boy, lived a half mile from us. lucky he went right to the school resource officer and didnt go after others, the resource officer only got shrapnel wounds and tackled the kid, but this is life today.

    Thanks for your concern guys, I do understand, but I am cool and measured in how i discuss things and I like that my kids follow my lead on many things.

    Funny I learned quick, its all about the parenting, from limiting video game play to 3 days a week a couple or few hours in those 3 days, to not watching R rated movies, no stupid Cops shows or dumbass reality shows.
    Thanks again guys

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