Topic: Oil or Water Based?

[podius]

So I've been hearing more about this VOC stuff and about states banning oil and the government getting tighter restrictions on oil. So my delima is should I keep using oil or switch over to water based? Correct me if I'm wrong, but is Perma Chink the only decent water based stain? I've never used it, but I don't know if oil will be around in 10 years. Should I just switch now or is there no need for conern?

[Jarrod]

IMHO there is no such thing as a good water based stain. It's oil or nothing for me.

[Celeste@CarolinaProWash]

Permachink has a good water based stain system for logs if you want to go their whole route which equals about 3 trips around the house just for the stain process. Jon Fife will be a good one to pop in on this thread, or Rich Littlefield or Greg Rentschler.    We have had stunning results with Wood Tux on logs and wood sided homes - it's oil based and VOC compliant. Several I believe have nice results with Ready Seal, also oil & VOC compliant.

Celeste

[MMI Enterprises]

Consider the 'base' terminology as being but the carrier that has to sufficiently emulsify/disolve the resins, oils, pigments, etc. to get it to the wood. It evaporates leaving such and such of a solid content/thickness.  Now consider alkyd emulsions a mix of both water and oil as base/carrier. They don't hold or effectively disolve as much resin,oils,pigments, etc. and so the solid content is dropped. End product should be able to be made same end quality but most agree they just aint there yet due to content sold for one thing.
In your synthetic acrylics things of metal crosslinking (makes resistant to chemical attack) and curing hardness come to play and apparently is hard thing to tackle for exterior products.
  Thing that gets me with the VOC stuff is that having to put more of the product on in two coats to get about same thickness is excepted. To me it a hassle of a game in most respects. Like think about it..let's have to make them use more, buy more, and spend more time and labor to get to same place is embrased?..

I'll take catalyzed urethane that is uv stabalized just like on a car..lol

[YVPW]

As for the beauty of a log home IMO I haven't saw anything prettier than a Permachink log home.  If I were gonna use a film forming stain that would be the one.  It's a lot of work to put on but you just have to charge a lot.  I think with restoring a home I wouldn't use it, cause most homeowners aren't gonna pay the price.  Oil based stains are easier to apply, and easier to maintain and that's why most like them.

[podius]

I love my oil stain and I hope I never have to use anything else. I guess I just kinda get scared when I here this stuff and I'm afraid of those global warming people getting there way and taking my precious stain away from me

[Clevelandmobile]

Years ago they used to put lead in house paint.  The lead made the paint last 10 years...then they banned lead and the paint lasts 2 to 3 years.  The benefit.......homeowner has to pay a painter every 2 to 3 years instead of every 10.  I hope they cause deck stain to last one year......makes it a whole lot easier to make money.

Andy

[Celeste@CarolinaProWash]

Oooh, Bengeman, I gotta disagree.  Permachink stains, while supposed to last longer with 4 or 5 layers of stuff, look plasticized to me.  My little opinion....if you're going to have a log or wood home, keep it as natural as possible - no stupid colors or plastic finish!  Can you imagine what will happen when the composite logs get on the market!  Blech!

Celeste