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Biggest fence for me, to date.
« on: March 17, 2008, 03:06:03 PM »
OK, I'm working up a bid for a HOA fence 1700 feet 6' privacy Clean and Seal with brick post/columns about every 50 feet of so, its about 10 years old never been treated, not in horrible shape . Was planning on using WT for this so I figured a little low on the coverage area (150 per sq)  I figured $2,145 for stain. 60ish gallons. i figured my total would be right at about $5,000. let me know if this is way off or not for a fence this size. I figured 4 days total time with 1 helper on 2 of those days. I think this might be a bit low but thats why I'm here posting :)  thanks
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Re: Biggest fence for me, to date.
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2008, 06:38:30 PM »
$6 a foot (includes both sides) plus stain costs on average for us.  A project that large would get a discount no doubt but unfortunately condo associations are a bunch of cheap as$$$es...  :P

So that would be umm... $12,345? 

As a rule of thumb we try to bill a grand a day on each truck.  Also on fencing we usually break the stain down on a 100 sq per gallon

On your stain your numbers appear to be off. 1700'x6 = 10,200 sq ft x 2 sides = 20,400  sq ft / 150 sq ft = 136 Gallons  :eek:  I hope the 1700' was BOTH SIDES?
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Re: Biggest fence for me, to date.
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2008, 06:49:32 PM »
Only one side the street side.  sorry i didn't mention that.
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Re: Biggest fence for me, to date.
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2008, 09:02:13 PM »
Ahh... that explains a bit.

We do both or dont do any of it.  Too many issues with chemicals and sealers running to the backside of the fence sections making the other side look like crap.

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Re: Biggest fence for me, to date.
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2008, 09:06:12 PM »
Normally i agree but almost every house on this fence has their own privacy fence also. So that would mean i would have to have access to about 50-60 homes and dealing with dogs and trees and make arrangements on each house...  the price would quickly triple or more just cause of the hassle.
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Re: Biggest fence for me, to date.
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2008, 08:35:28 AM »
OK, I'm working up a bid for a HOA fence 1700 feet 6' privacy Clean and Seal with brick post/columns about every 50 feet of so, its about 10 years old never been treated, not in horrible shape . Was planning on using WT for this so I figured a little low on the coverage area (150 per sq)  I figured $2,145 for stain. 60ish gallons. i figured my total would be right at about $5,000. let me know if this is way off or not for a fence this size. I figured 4 days total time with 1 helper on 2 of those days. I think this might be a bit low but thats why I'm here posting :)  thanks


Yes I would say your off.. Most would make going on double what you will end up making.

How long do you think it take you to apply chems and properly clean? 1 day..2 day? Not sure I would want to count it as an 8 hour day. I'd call it 12 hr.
The staining I would count on somewhere from 70-100ln. ft. per hour moving pretty good so that is say 17-24 hours (3 day)
Ok so maybe the clean seems abit long (fences are easy) and so lets take the low figure of the staining and but keep that 12 hr figure for the clean.. we get 29 hr (or 3.625 days work...468 ln. ft. per day or 2814 sq. ft per day cleaned and stained)
29hr x $210 per hr (stain included)= $6090
$6090/10200= approx. 60 cents per ft. ( 35 cents staining, 25 cents cleaning)
Your figure of 5k while using 60 gal of WTW will make you about $98 per hr. at my hour figures above... or less than 28 cents tot. for doing hard labor of both cleaning and staining..that is way low! (5k-2145=2855/10200=.279)
I would want and hope for your sake the stain goes closer to 190 ft but you can't rely on that at all.
I on the other hand would not use that product on said fence as it cuts too much into my bottom line goals. It gonna be hard enough as it is to secure the job as fences don't pay all that great to begin with and you got to throw on the commercial HOA consideration..why throw such an expensive product at it?
If I use a product such as Omax that is known to get me closer to 220 and I leave some cussion room and call it 190 I make good money at a competative 60 cent figure...
10200/190= 53.68 gal. Call it 55 gal..cost is $122x11 fivers=$1342...$6090-$1342= $4748  or $163.72 per hour
More than likely my stain cussion will absorb my cleaner and gas costs.
Your $98 an hour is ok for straight flat work but not for wood work involving chems and staining activities.
Timberseals 'plus stain' route on fence takes abit more money from table at $176 per hr based on my 29 hour estimate. His example price is 50 cent and mine is close as the stain I mention ends up about 10 cent fer me retail. If job works out to 5 day for his crew then figures change drastic to $127.5 per hour.
If my figures are right, and I know they are FOR ME, we can see I am shooting for about $1300 per 8 hr day. If I got slow or lazy and go 5 day then I end up at $950 a day. In the end of this disection I know I would rather say to a commercial client "stain included" and if they interested I can also tell them a brand name they will know. When they hear 5-7 year product included at 60 cent figures I believe they gonna sign the dotted line with no worries..
 I also prefure spending almost a grand less for product to get job done but that's just me...

What I like about large fence is the chunk of money they can bring without much expectations by customer.
 I would do them all the time if I could. Even doing 2 of these per mon. for 5 mon. out of the year say April through August means a somewhat hassle free $5400 per mon. all year long.
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Re: Biggest fence for me, to date.
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2008, 09:23:37 AM »
IF I was only doing one side I would charge em' $4 a foot plus materials (at retail of course) just for the PITA factor so it would end up in the high 8 low 9's.  Thats just me though.  These condo associations dont like to pay for this kind of stuff around here.  We bid on several and the last one was $28 grand  (decks, fences and mailbox posts)... the guy wouldn't even field my calls after he recieved the bid.   It's like he expects two high school kids to come out after 3 everyday to knock it out.  So be it..... thats not the kind of work we want  :cool:
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Re: Biggest fence for me, to date.
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2008, 03:21:16 PM »
Greg,   Thanx for offering that further info. Guess it fair to say that I'd had to figure in the discount to figure you. I find most often that smaller jobs are always more desirable and more is made per hour, per foot, per job..or however we slice it.
How do you think discounting or not discounting affects your $1k a day per rig figure?.. Think yer closer to the $1300 I sighted, or more, or was that already based on full rate?
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