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Offline egsupplies

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Delevan Question
« on: March 02, 2010, 08:51:48 PM »
What are the notable benefits, if any, it you connect two batteries in series to your roof pump?  Will it give more distance (more power to the pump) on your stream that you shoot out? 
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Re: Delevan Question
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2010, 04:51:16 PM »
You would have to connect them in a parallel configuration.  This would extend the capacity while keeping the voltage the same.  If you did them in series, it would double the voltage.
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Re: Delevan Question
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2010, 05:00:10 PM »
I would guess the motor is only going to draw the current it needs and for which it is rated to draw. You may get longer spray time but you will not overdrive the pump for increased performance. A series connection would increase the output right up until the time you burnt out the motor. (probably ten seconds or so)

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Re: Delevan Question
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2010, 07:53:50 PM »
I would guess the motor is only going to draw the current it needs and for which it is rated to draw. You may get longer spray time but you will not overdrive the pump for increased performance. A series connection would increase the output right up until the time you burnt out the motor. (probably ten seconds or so)


+1   Your battery is probably rated for several hundred amps.  Your pump pulls less than 30 amps.  Adding another battery parallel will double your amp hours, giving you more time.  Running them in series will give you 24 volts, and it may increase your flow and power for a very short time until the pump burns up.  It is possible to increase the voltage on some motors without destroying them immediately.  For example, a lot of people convert 12 volt power wheel systems over to 18 volt to get more power, but it still shortens the life of the motor.  I would not experiment in that way with an expensive diaphragm pump though.  You would be better off to run two pumps to one line (I think this can work), than to run two batteries to one pump.

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Re: Delevan Question
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2010, 08:49:16 AM »
Stupid Question alert!

What keeps the battery charged? Is using the battery to run the pump not just like running lights off of a battery? Causing the battery to drain rather than helping to keep it charged?

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Re: Delevan Question
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2010, 09:31:36 AM »
We have magic batteries here in the states, made from a space age NASA polymer.  :thumbsup:

You have to charge the battery between uses, or have it charged off of your alternator through your wiring harness (others know more about this).  William pointed me in the direction of a trickle charger (or maintenance charger), and it is working great for me.  It charges at a rate of about 1.5 amps, so it takes longer, but it reduces gas buildup.

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Re: Delevan Question
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2010, 10:07:20 AM »
I would guess the motor is only going to draw the current it needs and for which it is rated to draw. You may get longer spray time but you will not overdrive the pump for increased performance.


Correct.  Voltage is like water pressure, current is like the available volume of water.  Just like a pump, an electrical device draws current (amps) from the supply (battery).  As such, a normally functioning electrical device can not draw more current than it can handle when the supply is at the correct voltage (pressure).

However, if you DOUBLE the rated pressure (12v -> 24V),  you can overdrive the pump ultimately resulting in it's catastrophic failure.

A series connection would increase the output right up until the time you burnt out the motor. (probably ten seconds or so)


Actually, it could be a whole lot longer than that, but the results would be the same.  Electric motors fail because heat melts the insulation on the wiring causing a short circuit, which causes a huge increase in heat, and so on until you have a smoking mess. 

What's not often told is that electrical resistance increases with RPM, thus decreasing the current in the coils and the amount of heat generated. So unless you significantly overvoltage a pump, it probably won't fail because of the voltage. What will happen is it will spin a hell of a lot faster and the bearings (or the pump head) will overheat from excessive RPM's and seize.  or fail outright from added stress.

The point is that it may work fine at 24v for "a while".  Unfortunately, "a while" may be ten minutes or ten days.  But ultimately running a pump at 2x rated voltage is a bad plan because you have more than just the motor to consider. Can the pump handle 2x the RPM? 2x the flow?  Can the internal valves handle 2x the pressure?  Can the hose/clamps? the pressure switch?

You can however, run two pumps in parallel at 12V each to double your volume. But unless you increase your orifice size, you will double your pressure. Make sure all components can handle the higher pressure or adjust your orifice accordingly.

It is possible to increase the voltage on some motors without destroying them immediately.  For example, a lot of people convert 12 volt power wheel systems over to 18 volt to get more power, but it still shortens the life of the motor.


There is a great example of what I just described.  A 50% overvoltage works in this case without immediate failure.  Will it work for you? Only one way to find out....
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Re: Delevan Question
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2010, 05:34:55 PM »
Thanks guys for the responses.  After reading them all and thinking through it some more it became more clear.  I appreciate all the advice as always.
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